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Discussion of George Gillespie's Wholesome Severity Reconciled with Christian Liberty
Re: WF: Deut.13:6-9 
Subject: Re: WF: Deut.13:6-9
From: "Terry R. Strow" 
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:28:57 -0700

Ed Miles wrote:
> 
> Richard Bacon wrote:
> [snip]
> > I ask once again, where is the *Scripture* testimony that the magistrate
> > cannot or should not enforce God's commandments?
> >
> > Note for example, that Romans 13:4-6 refers to the magistrate as the minister
> > of God for good and as "a revenger of wrath upon him that doeth evil."  Is
> > worshiping a false god and teaching others to do so not evil in Paul's
> > estimation?
> >
> > 1 Timothy 2:2 indicates that we are to pray for kings and for all in
> > authority -- so that we may live not only quiet and peaceful lives, but
> > also to do so in all godliness and honesty.  In order for that to take
> > place, must there be a standard of what godliness and honesty is -- and
> > is the magistrate required by God's justice to protect godliness?
> 
> Is it possible that, through a general spirit of all-embracing ecumenism
> and unwillingness to publicly and vehemently denounce heresy and false
> teaching when it occurs, the non-Christian or marginally Christian magi-
> strate no longer has a clear, viable definition of the church from which
> to be able to discern who he is to defend?  Without a coherent demarca-
> tion separating the church from her imitators, and so much evil having
> been perpetrated in the name of God, ample opportunity has been given to
> the God-haters to blaspheme that holy Name.  And, with the model of the
> true church blurred by false images, an alarmed community of infidels
> has
> concurred with secular government to effect more totalitarian restric-
> tions against the "radical Christian right."  If we're looking for a
> place
> to lay the blame for the plight of the church in our intensely secular
> (in the sense that they emphatically deny Christ's lordship) society,
> we must be very careful not to trip over it.  In other words,
> because of a pietistic, pseudo-philanthropic failure to man the walls in
> an overwhelming defense of the faith once for all delivered unto the
> saints, let alone to mount an attack against the gates of hell, might we
> be guilty of placing a stumbling block in the path of our own progress?
> 
> In the sage words of that marsupial philosopher, Pogo, "We have met the
> enemy, and he is us."
> 
> [snip]
> > Should we understand Isaiah 49:23 as referring to this present time, or
> > is it relegated to the time of Cyrus?
> 
> Read the last line of Is. 49:23.  Are we waiting on the Lord, hoping for
> Him?  Or are we so caught up in wanting to have kings lick the dust of
> our feet that we're trying to force the issue, thereby hoping in our-
> selves and our use of carnal weapons to fight spiritual warfare?
> 
> > What of Isaiah 52:13-15 --
> 
> A reference to the broadening scope of the new covenant.  The gentile
> nations, to whom the promises had not been made, the oracles not given,
> who were not looking for the coming Messiah, were now given the gospel.
> We who had been far off were made nigh by the blood of Christ.
> 
> >  In what sense are kings required to "kiss the son?"
> 
> They have a moral responsibility to be "nursing" parents to their sub-
> jects, and to embrace Christ and His Law.  They will be called to
> account for this responsibility.  Few will hear, "Well done, thou good
> and faithful servant."  But, I fear that we must bear some of the re-
> sponisiblity for their failure because we have forced upon them a
> nebulous view of Christ's Word and Church.
> 
> [snip]
> > The most celebrated passage of
> > all is that in which Paul admonishing Timothy, that prayers are to be
> > offered up in the public assembly for kings, subjoins the reason, "that we
> > may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty," (1 Tim.
> > 2:2.) In these words, he recommends the condition of the Church to their
> > protection and guardianship.
> 
> Drive through the church parking lots in your city on any given Sunday
> morning taking note of the various bumper stickers which address the
> sub-
> ject of Bill and Hillary.  What percentage of them enjoin us to pray for
> their salvation and rapidly progressing sanctification vs. the
> percentage
> that demand impeachment or render derogation in a variety of forms?
> Once
> again, the failure rests squarely upon us, and only residually upon the
> realm.
> 
> Respectfully,
> ed
> 
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Romans, Chapter l3 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is
no power but of God; the powers that be are ordained of God.  Whosoever therefore
resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall
receive unto themselves damnation.